Tuesday, August 11, 2009

Why are people upset about Obamacare?

Because our elected representatives lie and lie and lie and lie and lie.

And because the President has proven, even to his supporters, that he cannot be trusted. He promised to support gay marriage, an end to Clinton's "don't ask, don't tell", an end to extraordinary rendition, no lobbyists in his administration, transparency in legislation and administration, lower taxes if you make under $250K, racial healing, rejecting pork "line by line," to control spending, that unemployment would not exceed 8% if his stimulus was passed, that he would not duplicate Dubya's "signing statement" output, that he would never accept a nuclear Iran, that the stimulus was designed to be spent quickly and he consistently avers that Joe Biden is not a fool.

How can he be trusted on his promises regarding health care? Check this for an easy comparison between word and word, and hope there is never a deed. The only surprising part of that link is how Obama can so breezily tell an abysmally stupid lie, just after telling the rest of us to stop talking.

What must he think of us?


Anonymous said...

I know what I think, Where was all this screamming when Bush was running everything in the ground...That's when you crazy folks should have been screamming...Oh no you set back and let him get the US economy in this mess. Every move or not Obama and his administration make thye are lying and out to do us in; Most beleive this because their listening to the mobs...Hey stupid where were you under a rock with the other hacklers while Bush was in the White House.... Every person hackling and screaming reminds me of how "the crowds or mobs" got the people going(KKK)to hang innocent black people and crucify Christ. Somebody shouted and the rest of the crowd followed,they didnt need to know the truth, they didnt care to hear it(if they did they would shut up long enough to listen) they just saw an opportuinty to show and commit evil.
"The noisiest drum has nothing it it-but air"
But as usual it's the white folks who dont know how to listen...they always know more than others and end up knowing nothing... that's how the richest of the rich was tricked out of all their life savings 'Selfishness and GREED'
Take a good look at yourselves...horrid behaviors! LH in KY.

Hershblogger said...


You would have found a great deal of criticism of Bush on this site if you'd bothered to look and read, but apparently you prefer to shout out your ignorance and then leave.

And, of course, criticizing Obama evokes comparisons to the KKK. Nice projection there.

Hershblogger said...

Oh, and by the way, go check out how this staunch Obama supporter views Obamacare:

Camille Paglia

She's white, of course, but maybe being a lesbian will make up for that in your view.

Paladin said...

Gotta love 'em. They are consistent.

LH offers not one word on issues or policy. Not one word in support of an idea. Nothing to persuade anyone of the merits of the course which our president is setting for the country.

Rather, all LH can offer is another pathetic attack upon those who dissent. I suppose it is just a case of follow the leader. For this is exactly what Pelosi, et al are doing every day.

The fact that Bush spent like a drunken sailor was roundly criticized in these pages. And in any event the former president's misdeeds to not excuse or justify Obama spending like a battalion of drunken sailors.

Anonymous said...

Two big lies. And I think you only point out one: Obama lies when he says he has never supported a single payer system.

But he also lies when he tries to make a distinction between a "single-payer" system and a "universal" system. Note in the video he conflates the two. But in the so-called town-hall he makes a distinction.

He has this habit of couching his lies in a verbal labyrinth, where words are substituted for other words, where words change their meaning, and where what one said yesterday matters no more once today has dawned.

Dave said...

I don't really think you get around to any serious criticism of the Affordable Care Act here. You just accusing people of being liars and so on, as do the people in the comments. I came to this page because I seriously want to understand why people on the right don't like Obamacare. I've come to the conclusion that you guys don't even know why you don't like it-- you're just angry and upset at the "socialist" president.

I have insurance through the affordable care act, and I'm glad I do. I couldn't afford health insurance without it. Here's what the ACA does: it pays the employer half of my private health insurance. And it doesn't even "pay" directly, but instead I'm given a tax credit.

That's it. What in the world is so offensive or terrible about this? It is private insurance, private hospitals, private everything-- just the government chips in so that I can afford to be covered.

Can you please explain why this is so bad?

Hershblogger said...

Well, since you apparently didn’t check the links out, let me quote one of them in the context of the time (2009) of the post:

“Obama promised once again that a health care overhaul “will be paid for.” But congressional budget experts say the bills they’ve seen so far would add hundreds of billions of dollars to the deficit over the next decade.

He said the plan "that I put forward" would cover at least 97 percent of all Americans. Actually, the plan he campaigned on would cover far less than that, and only one of the bills now being considered in Congress would do that.

He said the "average American family is paying thousands" as part of their premiums to cover uncompensated care for the uninsured, implying that expanded coverage will slash insurance costs. But the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation puts the cost per family figure at $200.

Obama claimed his budget "reduced federal spending over the next 10 years by $2.2 trillion" compared with where it was headed before. Not true. Even figures from his own budget experts don’t support that. The Congressional Budget Office projects a $2.7 trillion increase, not a $2.2 trillion cut.

The president said that the United States spends $6,000 more on average than other countries on health care. Actually, U.S. per capita spending is about $2,500 more than the next highest-spending country. Obama’s figure was a White House-calculated per-family estimate.”

But, though it’s all come true, that was 2009: Before the Democrats subverted the legislative process and passed it without reading it and without a single Republican vote. Today, they whine about a lack of compromise and bipartisanship. One could dislike Obamacare solely on that basis, but let’s consider the health care situation today:

You say “It is private insurance, private hospitals, private everything-- just the government chips in so that I can afford to be covered.”

In fact, nothing about Obamacare is private. The government forces you to have insurance, or pay a fine - or, ultimately, go to jail. If the government forced you to buy broccoli, would you call that your private decision?

To say the “government chips in” absolutely eliminates the idea that Obamacare is private. You write this without realizing you’re contradicting yourself. Again. If the government paid for half of a few other people's broccoli, would you call that a private purchasing decision?

The “private” hospitals, drug companies and insurance companies all like the fact that the government increased their revenue. This is called “crony capitalism,” and is a partnership between the government and pirate industry, not private industry.

Obamacare exchanges in Massachusetts, Oregon, Nevada and Maryland have all failed at a cost to taxpayers of half a billion dollars. It seems a lot of people don’t like Obamacare. It's not "chipping in," it's "pissing away."

Premiums are rising out of control, Medicaid expansion is going to cause State budgets to skyrocket when Federal subsidies run out (as is planned, and as they must).

You couldn’t keep your doctor, or your plan.

Many people have had their hours restricted so they don’t qualify for employer subsidized plans, and companies have avoided hiring if the number of people employed would push them into having to submit to Obamacare.

By the way, my objections to government controlled health insurance (which Obamacare is unless you have weird definitions of the words “government” and “controlled”) predate Obamacare, and even Obama’s candidacy, by some years. Here’s some reading with additional links if you “seriously want to understand” the problem:

It's nice you’re happy with your federally mandated insurance, the rest of us aren’t yet forced to be happy about it. Maybe we’re just slightly less selfish.